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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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hello welcome to the skeptic zone

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episode number 434 for the twelfth of

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february2014 from Sydney Australia

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what's left of Sydney Australia after

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the recent heat waves yesterday was

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ridiculous for many reasons but

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particularly for the heat and the day

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before and the day before that and today

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I think is going to be very warm indeed

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Sydney Australia is a good place to

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avoid at this time of the year I think

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yes record heat across our state our

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parts of Sydney have been nudging 47

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degrees I seem to have heard it's all

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very silly maybe we can all cool down by

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listening to the skeptics on coming up

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on this week's show it's the diet

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skeptic mandy lee noble our our newest

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reporter this week mandy lee is going to

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be looking at a2 milk which char you've

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probably seen around which is sold as a

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premium milk what is a2 milk is it

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better than a1 milk 1 if there's an a3

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milk find out with mandy lee noble the

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diet skeptic at the top of the show

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following that it's brouhaha from the

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cafe of Australia science channel

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Australia science TV oh and a big shout

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out to my friend dr. Paul Willis who is

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the director of the Royal Institution of

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Australia dr. Paul Willis once again

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once again and I wish I was with him at

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the moment is making his way to the

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Antarctic for a scientific exploration

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he has been going down there for quite a

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few years now and I wish I could be his

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sidekick maybe I could do some video

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production Paul what do you reckon he is

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going to be swatting around with the

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Penguins so to speak sailing past

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icebergs looking at lots of snow and I

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think most of Sydney probably most

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this state of New South Wales and

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Queensland and everyone else would love

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to be with Paul Willis at the moment

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enjoying the exceptionally cool and

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crisp weather down of the South Pole yes

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but I digress yes brouhaha from

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Australia science TV and this week this

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week Ben Lewis looks at restrictions put

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on scientists in the US and how they

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getting around it and also honey birds

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from Mozambique and he puts from

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Mozambique 'it's brouhaha this week

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coming up a little bit later on in the

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show then we have some news from the

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Australian skeptics written by Tim

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mendham and we often bring your

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attention to articles and information

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petering at skeptics com au the website

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of Australian skeptics and of course I

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am a member of the the committee of

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Australian skeptics hello Australian

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skeptics this week we're going to find

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out why chiropractic group here in

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Australia has been distancing itself

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from the anti-vaccination crowd and also

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why research is a warning of dire

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effects of herbal remedies to very

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interesting stories a bit later on and

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to round off the show ghosts we join the

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stranger things down under facebook

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group a very new facebook group based in

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sydney on their first expedition outing

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to other look for ghosts in the historic

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rocks area of sydney do we bump into any

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ghost did any ghosts bump into us find

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out at the end of the show now listeners

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will remember i think it was last week

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or possibly the week before i was

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wondering what you would call a group of

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quacks mm-hmm the collective noun for a

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group of quacks well people have been

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writing in with their suggestions and

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i'll give a shout out to sure Luis all

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the way over there in Colorado says an

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echo of quacks an echo of quacks that's

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really good i love that one and some

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other people have thought of that as

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well i'm not surprised it's it's very

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clever and it's very apt I think but

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sure says

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first since they can't have gotten their

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claims from rigorous scientific inquiry

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most quackery is just the echo of folk

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wisdom magical thinking and other

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regurgitation second there is a broadly

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held but not thoroughly debunked myth

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that a duck's quack doesn't echo thank

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you sure and thank you to everybody else

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writing in with your suggestions

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colorado it's been many years since i've

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been to colorado i went to hiking in the

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Rockies with my good friend dr. Phil

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Plait the bad astronomer very memorable

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it's interesting being up at that

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altitude I didn't have many problems

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with the altitude I must say I was

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hiking way up in the Rockies and I think

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I did okay looking forward one day to

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going back well that's enough for me at

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the moment it's time for me to run

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downstairs open up the freezer retrieve

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the balloon full of ice now those of you

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who are familiar with the internet

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mm-hmm might have seen a video

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circulating lately where somebody fills

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up a balloon the water puts that in the

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freezer makes a giant sphere of ice puts

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the ice in a bowl and the cats come and

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have a big cold water supply and a big

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cold Isis fear to lick well I did that

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last night I filled up a balloon well

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about halfway full of water put it in

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the freezer and this morning there is a

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solid I think it's solid sphere of ice

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so I'm going to run downstairs take that

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out of the freezer put it into a large

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bowl and let the cats cool down with

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their new toy while I'm doing that I

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hope you enjoy the skeptic zone

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that looks good enough to eat or does it

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here's the diet skeptic mandy lee Noble

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hello skeptics and Lissa's mandy lee

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noble here dietitian and skeptic

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reporting from brisbane this week on the

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diet skeptic report i will be discussing

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a2 milk is there any evidence to support

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the claim that a to milk drinkers can

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feel the difference or is the a2 milk

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company just using science to get

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consumers to believe and better over the

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last two decades the range of dairy

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products available to Australian

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consumers has grown enormously in 2003

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a2 milk joined the fray and despite a

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rocky start a to milk now represents

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nine percent of the Australian fresh

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milk market more recently the a2 milk

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company launched its range of infant

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formulas in Australia New Zealand and

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China which has driven exceptional

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growth in a2 milk company's product

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sales so what exactly is a2 milk while

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cows like humans have individual genetic

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differences one example is the better

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casing protein found in milk is coded by

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gene that has several slight variations

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the two most common variations are

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called a1 and a2 in Australia regular

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casein and half a two BD casein a2 milk

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is better described as a 2 only milk as

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it comes from cows that

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been selected to only have the a2

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variant of the beater casing gene and

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therefore produce milk that only

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contains there a two BD casein protein

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the difference between the a one and a

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two BD casein protein is just a single

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amino acid the a2 variant is the

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original form of the team is estimated

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the a1 variant first curd around 5,000

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years ago there's no difference in the

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taste or nutritional quality of regular

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milk compared to a2 milk except that a

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one protein may be better for making

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hard cheeses this may explain why the a

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one-gene became prevalent in European

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hands so if 82 only milk is the same

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nutritionally how could it be better the

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a to only milk provides any additional

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health benefits rather the a1 b2 casing

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found in regular milk could be a factor

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in health conditions such as type 1

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diabetes cardiovascular disease autism

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schizophrenia and gastrointestinal

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conditions digestion of the a1 b2 casein

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may more readily produce be turquesa

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Morphin 7 or b c m7 for short bc m7 and

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other better case of morph ins have been

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shown to have opioid like activity other

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opiates such as codeine slow down the

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passage of food in the gut and may cause

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constipation nausea and bloating so the

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a1 a2 hypothesis proposes that the BCM 7

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enough bc m7 to slow down the passage of

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food through the gut it also proposes

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that b c m7 could pass through the gut

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of an infant or a leaky gut to bind to

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opioid receptors in the brain does the

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research show that b c m7 is harmful to

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humans studies have detected b c m7 from

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can the gut of adults the urine of

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children and the plasma of formula-fed

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infants similarly human BCM 7 has been

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found in the plasma of breastfed infants

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as breast milk also contains a similar

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BCM seven peptide however there is

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insufficient evidence to show that B cm7

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affects human health ok so is there any

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evidence of drinking regular milk

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containing the a1 protein maker of

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course time some population studies have

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shown an association between a one BD

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casing and the rates of type 1 diabetes

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and cardiovascular disease however these

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studies have been criticized for the

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selection of countries included in the

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data set and excluding cheese and yogurt

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especially for France which shows a high

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intake of cheese and relatively low

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rates of cardiovascular disease while

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explained by rates of breastfeeding or

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vitamin D levels in countries that

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receive less sunlight so why not just

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find out whether there is an effect

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given that regular milk an a2 milk look

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smell and taste the same this would seem

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the obvious solution however to date

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there has been no human trial that

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adequately tests the a1 a2 hypothesis

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there has been a small a2 company funded

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pilot trial involving just 41

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participants the study found that when

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given a 1 only milk the participants had

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softer stalls which is the opposite of

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what is predicted by the a1 a2

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hypothesis the paper's authors do

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the a1 a2 hypothesis that explains

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softer stools from a one protein may be

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due to get information however during

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the trial a measure forgot information

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found no significant difference between

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in summary leading health and nutrition

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associations including the dieticians

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evidence linking a 1 B 2 casein protein

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and human health outcomes all

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authorities have stated that there is

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insufficient evidence to support the a1

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a2 hypothesis how has the a2 milk

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template one consumer trust despite

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insufficient evidence to support the a1

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a2 hypothesis the a2 milk company has

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built its brand through marketing

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strategies that target consumers and

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health professionals the a2 milk company

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targets consumers with branded

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testimonials and builds a health halo

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for their products to also attract

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health seeking consumers who do not have

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an issue with milk the a2 milk company

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also targets health professionals

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including medical doctors and dietitians

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to gain health legitimacy quoting

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directly from the a2 milk companies 2015

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investor information healthcare

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professional programs are a key way of

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introducing a to milk company branded

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products to consumers so finally is

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there any harm in a2 milk well perhaps

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not directly because nutritionally a2

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milk is no different to regular milk

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however the a2 milk company is

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essentially introducing a new cost in

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the production and sale of milk there is

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also the potential for products that

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where a health halo to give consumers

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the false impression of making a healthy

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choice while diverting time and money

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away from important evidence-based

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that's all for this week check out the

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show notes and skeptic sign for links to

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this story until next time bye from now

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for manually noble and now direct from

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the cafe at Australia's science channel

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its brouhaha with ben lewis US

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scientists have gone row 140 characters

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at a time they were ordered by the

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government to stop tweeting some valid

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back to scientific information from

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official house the fort band was setting

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up new unofficial accounts to keep that

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science coming so now you can space out

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with at NASA or get rebellious with at

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rogue NASA and if you want to check in

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with your favorite American National

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Park you're not just stuck with add

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National Park Service you can also

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follow at old us nat park sir you know

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what we're with them because talking

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about science is really important that's

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why we're here is why you're here to

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just ignoring scientific issues like

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climate change isn't going to make you

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go away it can feel like every day sighs

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plays a bigger and bigger role in our

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lives so every day it's more and more

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important to keep up the conversation

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and understand what's happening all

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around

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and to those scientists using their

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genius to get around gag orders we're on

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the side of open information and

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transparency well we support you and

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applaud you because science stories

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aren't just fun and fascinating they

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need to be told hashtag science here's a

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joke what do you get when you put

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together a bird and a human honey yeah

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okay that's not actually a joke but it

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is a thing honey guide birds and humans

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in Mozambique have a pretty sweet

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relationship humans make a call which

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attracts the birds who then guide the

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person to a beehive the human then

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cracks open the Beehive to get the honey

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and the bird face on the other contents

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the birds aren't trained to do this from

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farmyards to backyards there are plenty

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of times we've trained animals to help

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us but very rarely do we form a

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relationship with wild animal where the

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benefits go both ways and I like to

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think of birds as dinosaurs in disguise

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so it's kinda like teaming up the t-rex

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it's a whole new pecking order for more

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brouhaha and Australian science head for

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from the dawn of time one blood cast has

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unlocked the secrets of science and

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technology to enrich the lives of

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billions and now after a year where

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they've unlocked the Golden Age of

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knowledge they're about to get warp

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speed and go stratospheric hold up on Oh

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No Ross and Carrie we don't make

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extraordinary claims we investigate them

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we go undercover with fringe religious

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groups investigate paranormal claims and

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we participate in pseudo scientific

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medical treatments and then report our

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findings to you and yes we've even

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investigated Scientology crash new

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episodes every month at maximum fun org

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Oh No Ross and Carrie they show up so

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from the website of Australian skeptics

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Australian skeptics com da to published

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on the six of every by Tim mendham Cairo

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the chiropractor's Association of

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Australia the largest professional group

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for chiropractors in the country has

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come down against the Australian

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vaccination skeptics network for linking

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itself to the chiropractor's Association

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of Australia or see a a it has also made

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the point that immunization is quote

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outside the scope of practice for

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chiropractors banquet this is an

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interesting admission as there are many

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members of the CAA who were or still are

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supporters of the anti-vaccination

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movement and who readily give advice on

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vaccinations usually in the negative in

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a statement released today the CAA says

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quote it has come to our attention that

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the Australian vaccination skeptics

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Network contains a link to the CAA

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national website we have requested that

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they remove this link to our website as

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a matter of urgency the chiropractor's

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Association of Australia does not

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support the views promoted by the

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Australian vaccination skeptics Network

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we have also informed them that the CAA

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has adopted the following policy on

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immunization the CAA supports the

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australian government's view that

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immunization is an important health care

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initiative it is outside the scope of

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practice for chiropractors when

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considering immunization parents should

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consult either with their GP or maternal

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and child health nurse for further

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information end quote it goes on to say

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that quote when providing chiropractic

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care to infants and young children

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practitioners must have a good

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understanding of the principles of

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public health care including disease

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prevention and health promotion end

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quote the practice of chiropractic

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treatment of

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infants and young children has been

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highly criticized by the Royal

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Australian College of General

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Practitioners Australian skeptics and

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others with the chiropractic Board of

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Australia the group that oversees the

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profession banning one chiropractor Ian

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Ross Perot from treating infants and

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performing spinal manipulative therapy

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on patients aged between two and six

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years this followed outrage over a video

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Ross Perot posted on YouTube showing him

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cracking the spine of a newborn baby and

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that comes to us from the website of

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Australian skeptics and I would add to

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that that it would be very good to see

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the chiropractor's Association of

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Australia make a policy announcement to

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their members that if they are to treat

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children in any way then those members

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should themselves be up to date on their

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vaccinations for especially pertussis

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whooping cough I wonder how that would

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go down with their general membership I

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wonder and why we are looking at that

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the website of Australian skeptics let's

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look at another article just posted on

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the 6th of februari also by Tim mendham

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researchers warn of the dire effects of

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herbal remedies medical herbs herbal

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products / traders softer and more

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natural alternatives to prescription

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medication can have quote dire effects

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and quote on users including acute

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hepatic and renal failure accessor

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Batian of pre-existing conditions and

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diseases and even death these are the

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worrying results presented in a paper by

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four Australian University researchers

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published recently in the medical

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journal of Australia titled quote what

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risks do her balad expose to the

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Australian community in quite the paper

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says that an estimated seventy to eighty

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percent of the world's population use

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non Western medicine in the form of

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herbal preparations for their primary

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health care the proportion of the

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Australian population using herbal

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products as mono or ancillary therapy

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increased from forty eight percent in

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nineteen ninety six to sixty nine

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percent in 2005 with spending on

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complementary medicine increasing by

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more than one hundred percent between

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1996 and 2004 similar increases have

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been reported in many Western countries

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in the United States spending on herbal

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preparations doubled between 1997 and

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2007 the predominant user group of

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complementary medicines in Australia

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comprises younger women under 35 years

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old with a tertiary education people

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with chronic diseases or comorbidities

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such as cancer diabetes musculoskeletal

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disorders or metal issues frequently use

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complementary medicines a study of ten

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thousand and eleven Australian women

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aged between 59 and 60 for years found

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that thirty-nine percent of those with

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menopausal symptoms consulted

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complementary medicine practitioners and

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that 75% used self-prescribed

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complementary therapies fifty-three

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percent of 1037 people with HIV

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attending specialist clinics also used

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complementary medicines and as many as

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sixty five percent of Australian people

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with cancer in 2010 used some form of

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complementary medicine more than half of

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whom did so in combination with

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conventional therapy quote despite these

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trends in quote the authorities say

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quote there have been few recent

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investigations of the specific problems

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associated with the use of herbal

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medicines and assessments of their

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safety rely on older studies some

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traditional herbal preparations contain

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heavy metals and toxic chemicals as well

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as naturally occurring organic toxins

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while many may have been safe it is

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worrying that the specific effects and

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harmful interactions of a number of

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their components with prescription

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medications is not well understood

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the content and quality of herbal

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preparations are not tightly controlled

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with some ingredients either not listed

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or their concentrations recorded in

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accurately on websites or labels herbal

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products may also include illegal

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ingredients such as ephedra European

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wild ginger and endangered animal

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species such as Snow Leopard an

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additional problem is augmentation with

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prescription medicines to enhance the

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apparent effectiveness of a preparation

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toxic substances may also be

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deliberately or inadvertently added less

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expensive more harmful plants may be

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substituted for more expensive

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ingredients and processing may not be

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adequate the lack of regulation and

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monitoring of traditional herbal

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preparations in Australia and other

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Western countries means that their

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contribution to illness and death is

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unknown we need to raise awareness of

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these problems with health care

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practitioners and with the general

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public end quote sadly this comes as no

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surprise to the Australian skeptics and

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other skeptics around the world I'm sure

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as we've known for a long time that that

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many of these remedies coming out of

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well mostly China i would suggest but by

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many other places too aren't regulated

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we don't know what's in them exactly and

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well the romance attached to them gets a

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lot of people in the logical fallacy of

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the the natural that's natural it must

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be good as ancient it must be good the

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appeal to ancient wisdom or as it's

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known the appeal to antiquity this has

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been used for thousands of years

553
00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:43,690
therefore it must be good this is from

554
00:27:48,330 --> 00:27:46,000
another more enlightened spiritual

555
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:48,340
culture therefore it must be good but of

556
00:27:52,970 --> 00:27:50,770
course a market is a market and if

557
00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:52,980
people can cheat and cut corners

558
00:28:00,300 --> 00:27:57,130
sometimes they do sadly and what people

559
00:28:03,570 --> 00:28:00,310
get in there herbal preparations is

560
00:28:06,030 --> 00:28:03,580
proving in some cases not to be what

561
00:28:06,899 --> 00:28:06,040
they expected to get if indeed that ever

562
00:28:08,639 --> 00:28:06,909
worked in the

563
00:28:11,369 --> 00:28:08,649
first place so that's a very interesting

564
00:28:15,539 --> 00:28:11,379
story one for us to keep an eye on again

565
00:28:17,909 --> 00:28:15,549
for your reference head to skeptics com

566
00:28:20,279 --> 00:28:17,919
au the website of us trained skeptics

567
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:20,289
lots more information there and as we

568
00:28:24,629 --> 00:28:22,720
mentioned from time to time if you visit

569
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:24,639
that website you can help yourself to

570
00:28:29,909 --> 00:28:26,799
over 30 years papi something like 35

571
00:28:32,639 --> 00:28:29,919
years of the skeptic magazine the

572
00:28:35,009 --> 00:28:32,649
journal from Australian skeptics in PDF

573
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:35,019
form there's a search option on the

574
00:28:42,359 --> 00:28:39,450
website too and you can search through

575
00:28:45,330 --> 00:28:42,369
thousands and thousands of interviews

576
00:28:47,969 --> 00:28:45,340
and reports and analysis but thank you

577
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:47,979
to the editor of the skeptic magazine in

578
00:28:59,580 --> 00:28:51,330
mendham compiling those two reports on

579
00:28:59,590 --> 00:29:18,670
[Music]

580
00:29:24,940 --> 00:29:23,230
hey Richard oh hi Trish hi would you

581
00:29:27,130 --> 00:29:24,950
like a coffee yeah thanks what you're

582
00:29:29,530 --> 00:29:27,140
working on trying to come up with a new

583
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:29,540
promo to play on the skeptic zone who's

584
00:29:34,750 --> 00:29:32,330
it for the good thinking society in the

585
00:29:37,090 --> 00:29:34,760
UK you know Michael Marshall Simon Singh

586
00:29:38,860 --> 00:29:37,100
Nora Thomas and background oh yeah I

587
00:29:41,370 --> 00:29:38,870
know them they've been doing some great

588
00:29:44,290 --> 00:29:41,380
work investigating veterinary homeopathy

589
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:44,300
vetri homeopathy what you sugarpill this

590
00:29:48,010 --> 00:29:46,730
for cows I know right and also they're

591
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:48,020
looking at some of the dodgy medical

592
00:29:52,420 --> 00:29:50,810
advice given by UK chiropractors really

593
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:52,430
okay look I'll mention all that in the

594
00:30:00,130 --> 00:29:56,210
promo now their website is good thinking

595
00:30:01,810 --> 00:30:00,140
society gone and they've recently been

596
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:01,820
reporting on the resurgence of faith

597
00:30:05,830 --> 00:30:03,530
healer peter Popoff you know come on

598
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:05,840
right okay look thanks to that it gives

599
00:30:19,950 --> 00:30:17,450
me something good to think about on the

600
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:19,960
evening of saturday the 11th of febri

601
00:30:25,810 --> 00:30:23,090
2017 i found myself of the stranger

602
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:25,820
things down under facebook group as we

603
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:28,010
made our way to the rocks here in sydney

604
00:30:33,550 --> 00:30:31,760
be historic area of sydney we were there

605
00:30:38,410 --> 00:30:33,560
for a ghost tour run by the good people

606
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:38,420
at ghost tours com delay you to

607
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:40,250
experience the chills well we were

608
00:30:47,650 --> 00:30:42,050
hoping to experience the chills whistle

609
00:30:49,450 --> 00:30:47,660
was very hot of the sydney ghosts did we

610
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:49,460
find any ghosts well i don't want to

611
00:30:54,130 --> 00:30:52,010
disappoint you what we did find was a

612
00:30:58,930 --> 00:30:54,140
wonderful evening out with lots of

613
00:31:03,539 --> 00:31:01,769
[Music]

614
00:31:09,299 --> 00:31:03,549
I'm speaking to you from the train

615
00:31:14,519 --> 00:31:12,029
circular key is the area in Sydney where

616
00:31:18,230 --> 00:31:14,529
the fairies leave from the go around the

617
00:31:21,710 --> 00:31:18,240
harbour past the Sydney Opera House and

618
00:31:25,499 --> 00:31:21,720
today's they apparently it's a record

619
00:31:27,690 --> 00:31:25,509
heat wave day for Sydney some parts of

620
00:31:33,119 --> 00:31:27,700
it at least and I can vouch for that

621
00:31:34,769 --> 00:31:33,129
it's tremendously hot and people are

622
00:31:37,049 --> 00:31:34,779
walking around looking a bit dazed that

623
00:31:40,049 --> 00:31:37,059
must admit anyway I've come downtown

624
00:31:42,539 --> 00:31:40,059
today to take part in the first event

625
00:31:46,169 --> 00:31:42,549
and put together by stranger things down

626
00:31:48,779 --> 00:31:46,179
under the new facebook social group for

627
00:31:52,019 --> 00:31:48,789
skeptics and interested people in Sydney

628
00:32:00,480 --> 00:31:52,029
and tonight we're doing the famous rocks

629
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:04,980
and despite the despite their ridiculous

630
00:32:09,930 --> 00:32:07,450
temperature today lots of people around

631
00:32:11,370 --> 00:32:09,940
this area it's six o'clock in the

632
00:32:13,290 --> 00:32:11,380
evening it's a very popular tourist

633
00:32:16,830 --> 00:32:13,300
destination of course and it's a

634
00:32:21,710 --> 00:32:16,840
Saturday but I you can see there the

635
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:21,720
shimmering heat haze and everybody is

636
00:32:28,590 --> 00:32:24,010
dressed in as little as they can

637
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:28,600
possibly get away with today well of

638
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:30,370
course longtime listeners that the

639
00:32:33,419 --> 00:32:32,050
skeptic zone will look well remember our

640
00:32:35,010 --> 00:32:33,429
chief investigator Australian

641
00:32:38,010 --> 00:32:35,020
skeptically and Bryce hello Ian oh hi

642
00:32:39,900 --> 00:32:38,020
Richard now we're walking along we just

643
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:39,910
had a nice drinking in the pub before

644
00:32:44,490 --> 00:32:41,770
the tour because it's so hot we all

645
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:44,500
retreated and drowned our hot sorrows

646
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:47,850
but now we're walking down George Street

647
00:32:53,220 --> 00:32:50,410
right at the rocks here very historic

648
00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:53,230
area of Sydney to the ghost to it now

649
00:32:58,980 --> 00:32:55,600
how many ghosts are you expecting to see

650
00:33:00,990 --> 00:32:58,990
tonight here oh well haha that's a bit

651
00:33:03,299 --> 00:33:01,000
of an unfair question for a skeptic I'd

652
00:33:06,419 --> 00:33:03,309
like to see many that's a good answer

653
00:33:08,370 --> 00:33:06,429
we'd like to see many we would the Sun

654
00:33:10,410 --> 00:33:08,380
is just going down now and thankfully

655
00:33:12,419 --> 00:33:10,420
it's cooled off a little bit yes it

656
00:33:15,180 --> 00:33:12,429
reached about 40 degrees today I think

657
00:33:18,049 --> 00:33:15,190
which is only record in some areas of

658
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:18,059
Sydney it went to 45 let's go hood I

659
00:33:24,180 --> 00:33:21,730
wish for our American listeners is well

660
00:33:26,790 --> 00:33:24,190
over a hundred well over 100 hundred and

661
00:33:29,130 --> 00:33:26,800
gin or something stupid like that but

662
00:33:30,930 --> 00:33:29,140
we're just as a nice group of skeptics

663
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:30,940
here from the strong skeptics committee

664
00:33:36,540 --> 00:33:34,450
and some friends and here we are walking

665
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:36,550
down which is turning now heading

666
00:33:42,930 --> 00:33:39,760
towards Cadman's cottage which is one of

667
00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:42,940
the very oldest buildings in Sydney

668
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:46,720
where the ghost tours start from and oh

669
00:33:49,530 --> 00:33:47,890
I'm here with actually one of the

670
00:33:51,750 --> 00:33:49,540
organizers have strange things down

671
00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:51,760
under its trish and hello Trish hello

672
00:33:59,370 --> 00:33:55,120
Richard oh you know Trish from the ad we

673
00:34:01,740 --> 00:33:59,380
do for the new tactic of the sound of me

674
00:34:03,660 --> 00:34:01,750
but my voice is but out official just

675
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:03,670
night singing along to guns and roses oh

676
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:06,210
you and your guns and roses

677
00:34:12,180 --> 00:34:09,520
you're the voice that says um yeah would

678
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:12,190
you like a coffee yeah thanks yes indeed

679
00:34:16,379 --> 00:34:13,839
that's me Oh Michael Marshall and his

680
00:34:18,510 --> 00:34:16,389
choice so we're you you're one of the

681
00:34:20,430 --> 00:34:18,520
organizers of strange vision yeah what's

682
00:34:21,629 --> 00:34:20,440
the whole idea about this and we're just

683
00:34:23,579 --> 00:34:21,639
getting out on the ground and just

684
00:34:25,379 --> 00:34:23,589
investigating you know what's what's out

685
00:34:27,300 --> 00:34:25,389
and what's what's available to the

686
00:34:28,829 --> 00:34:27,310
public so we're still kind of

687
00:34:31,379 --> 00:34:28,839
brainstorming what our first few ideas

688
00:34:32,730 --> 00:34:31,389
are going to be um this is quite a good

689
00:34:34,379 --> 00:34:32,740
one to start with because it's very well

690
00:34:36,899 --> 00:34:34,389
organized by an outside company so they

691
00:34:38,369 --> 00:34:36,909
can take us and shot what the deal is

692
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:38,379
we'll see how much we're there is and

693
00:34:43,169 --> 00:34:41,200
how much history there is and I I would

694
00:34:45,419 --> 00:34:43,179
imagine the idea isn't to approach this

695
00:34:48,089 --> 00:34:45,429
as you saw it or we're skipping I met

696
00:34:49,889 --> 00:34:48,099
let's just have a nice social night out

697
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:49,899
and just and see what what it's all

698
00:34:52,829 --> 00:34:51,609
about I mean you know I normally

699
00:34:54,210 --> 00:34:52,839
probably wouldn't come along something

700
00:34:55,530 --> 00:34:54,220
like this but with a group of friends so

701
00:34:58,260 --> 00:34:55,540
I know we can have it over laugh about

702
00:35:00,359 --> 00:34:58,270
it afterwards perfect absolutely i

703
00:35:02,820 --> 00:35:00,369
totally agree well you know Trish I

704
00:35:09,930 --> 00:35:02,830
think that's good thinking absolutely

705
00:35:12,510 --> 00:35:09,940
yeah it's very good very good ouch those

706
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:12,520
ghosty things it's Ali Thea Dean hello

707
00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:16,000
Olivia I Richard no spooky action from

708
00:35:20,339 --> 00:35:18,730
close up from closer I hope so now

709
00:35:22,140 --> 00:35:20,349
listeners may well remember Lee Thea

710
00:35:24,060 --> 00:35:22,150
because we did a get ghost to her a

711
00:35:26,010 --> 00:35:24,070
couple years ago at the fields of my

712
00:35:28,260 --> 00:35:26,020
cemetery with me night didn't we that

713
00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:28,270
was a ghost hunt oh I'm sorry a hunt yes

714
00:35:33,570 --> 00:35:30,400
we're hunting as you say and I thought

715
00:35:36,450 --> 00:35:33,580
you did very well yes I I don't know I

716
00:35:39,390 --> 00:35:36,460
didn't find any but I mean you coped

717
00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:39,400
very well I should say that yeah we cope

718
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:41,250
very well with the with a Ouija board

719
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:44,800
and the spirit box Barry box you have

720
00:35:47,820 --> 00:35:46,690
forgot about that it was great fun

721
00:35:50,130 --> 00:35:47,830
though wasn't it was really enjoyable

722
00:35:51,930 --> 00:35:50,140
night tonight's gonna be a bit more

723
00:35:55,130 --> 00:35:51,940
passive though I think so we're going to

724
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:55,140
be taken on ghost tour by a guide and

725
00:35:59,640 --> 00:35:57,760
given some good spooky yarns I hope and

726
00:36:02,460 --> 00:35:59,650
I've just noticed that our guide tonight

727
00:36:04,260 --> 00:36:02,470
is a good old friend of mine de Rouen

728
00:36:06,660 --> 00:36:04,270
Road and grieve so I've known for many

729
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:06,670
years and whose sure to give us a

730
00:36:10,380 --> 00:36:08,560
wonderful evening and wonderful goes to

731
00:36:12,300 --> 00:36:10,390
her I'm looking forward to I don't know

732
00:36:14,410 --> 00:36:12,310
looking forward to something chillin

733
00:36:17,109 --> 00:36:14,420
that should make a difference

734
00:36:18,839 --> 00:36:17,119
look we own it we all need a good chill

735
00:36:21,730 --> 00:36:18,849
down the spine tonight don't we

736
00:36:24,309 --> 00:36:21,740
definitely 40 degree heat and Sydney

737
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:24,319
right now quick something for you govern

738
00:36:31,030 --> 00:36:27,530
across here and there right there will

739
00:36:33,460 --> 00:36:31,040
be loving terrain and now we have a

740
00:36:35,650 --> 00:36:33,470
dragon ask you do i turn off your

741
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:35,660
torches come on I'll get the salt a bit

742
00:36:41,289 --> 00:36:39,170
be all good people to face tether

743
00:36:42,670 --> 00:36:41,299
ghostly believers in residence so

744
00:36:48,670 --> 00:36:42,680
without trying to listen anyone's eyes

745
00:36:50,140 --> 00:36:48,680
you can see that's already played now

746
00:36:52,569 --> 00:36:50,150
the two is well underway we're in

747
00:36:54,130 --> 00:36:52,579
captain's cottage one of the oldest

748
00:36:56,829 --> 00:36:54,140
buildings or the oldest building in New

749
00:36:58,660 --> 00:36:56,839
South Wales and people are wandering

750
00:37:02,200 --> 00:36:58,670
around with torches trying to inspect

751
00:37:04,630 --> 00:37:02,210
the the historic relics here it's very

752
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:04,640
said it's a bit spooky I must admit a

753
00:37:10,089 --> 00:37:08,210
little bit a little bit eerie our chief

754
00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:10,099
investigators got lost in the chimney

755
00:37:16,329 --> 00:37:13,040
yes did you find it in spiders in no

756
00:37:21,549 --> 00:37:16,339
ghosts oh well I think there were laws

757
00:37:24,099 --> 00:37:21,559
because of Santa closet and we'll just

758
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:24,109
walk outside now apart from anything

759
00:37:29,049 --> 00:37:26,210
else i must say that these ghost tours

760
00:37:31,809 --> 00:37:29,059
often give give you an excellent

761
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:31,819
opportunity to look at historic bits of

762
00:37:38,799 --> 00:37:34,970
Sydney or any city it's it's quite

763
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:38,809
fascinating we'll come back out now it's

764
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:40,880
a fascinating place indeed but foxfire's

765
00:37:44,740 --> 00:37:43,010
point in organ embassy estate the group

766
00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:44,750
he broke into the coxswains biochim

767
00:37:48,339 --> 00:37:46,609
spraying into the fire bus he was

768
00:37:50,410 --> 00:37:48,349
carrying in there that's where he was

769
00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:50,420
arrested and taken the Sydney joke where

770
00:37:53,859 --> 00:37:52,160
he spent three months until he was taken

771
00:38:07,400 --> 00:37:53,869
to hang on skill very true we pay for

772
00:38:13,050 --> 00:38:09,900
breaking up with some mechanics pray for

773
00:38:17,980 --> 00:38:13,060
me room to room you go two and one two

774
00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:17,990
three we got to bring out today

775
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:31,580
we're inside the haunted room Jessica I

776
00:38:37,310 --> 00:38:34,800
don't feel anything I'm so sorry i feel

777
00:38:41,300 --> 00:38:37,320
warm it's warm in here yeah it is warm

778
00:38:44,930 --> 00:38:41,310
yeah yeah it's am very warm night to be

779
00:38:46,490 --> 00:38:44,940
walking around and OH someone's just

780
00:38:50,420 --> 00:38:46,500
turned the light on and off to give us a

781
00:38:53,540 --> 00:38:50,430
scare it did work people people reacted

782
00:39:00,400 --> 00:38:53,550
I was hoping for a cold shiver down the

783
00:39:07,580 --> 00:39:04,610
we've come to the very top of this house

784
00:39:08,990 --> 00:39:07,590
of the rocks here and most of the rooms

785
00:39:12,740 --> 00:39:09,000
are dark except when people turn on

786
00:39:15,500 --> 00:39:12,750
those yeah mr. downs just being filled

787
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:15,510
out and the skeptics are arguing about a

788
00:39:23,020 --> 00:39:18,450
hole in the wall is that a fireplace a

789
00:39:25,250 --> 00:39:23,030
resort not come through to another room

790
00:39:26,750 --> 00:39:25,260
it's amazing that this Trish it's

791
00:39:28,820 --> 00:39:26,760
amazing in this house is here and

792
00:39:30,980 --> 00:39:28,830
basically unused yeah it's bigger than

793
00:39:32,510 --> 00:39:30,990
most apartments it's huge it goes on

794
00:39:34,610 --> 00:39:32,520
each room is bigger than every apartment

795
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:34,620
i've ever lived in we could still go I

796
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:36,480
know it doesn't get up that's nice is it

797
00:39:42,300 --> 00:39:38,850
there's another room here well and

798
00:39:44,590 --> 00:39:42,310
what's that it's a working holiday

799
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:44,600
do you think it's a chimney it's got a

800
00:39:51,609 --> 00:39:46,850
big cockroach in the bottom a big

801
00:39:55,930 --> 00:39:51,619
cockroach about you I never knew this

802
00:39:57,490 --> 00:39:55,940
place was here it's fascinating thank

803
00:39:59,320 --> 00:39:57,500
you again and in the words of Alfred

804
00:40:01,420 --> 00:39:59,330
Hitchcock or any of you might be old

805
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:01,430
enough to remember the babies I goes

806
00:40:08,170 --> 00:40:03,440
toaster oh now I just want guess you all

807
00:40:14,859 --> 00:40:08,180
a very good evening good evening in

808
00:40:16,270 --> 00:40:14,869
pencil turn on your tortures have a good

809
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:16,280
walk around I'll be on the top of

810
00:40:20,740 --> 00:40:18,170
interesting collect them and totally do

811
00:40:25,180 --> 00:40:20,750
that towards where to start

812
00:40:33,370 --> 00:40:29,290
a big thank you to our ghost tour guide

813
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:33,380
Rowan Greaves who persevered with us

814
00:40:39,490 --> 00:40:37,130
through outrageous temperatures we were

815
00:40:41,650 --> 00:40:39,500
all a sweaty mess during the whole tour

816
00:40:43,660 --> 00:40:41,660
the temperature really didn't cool down

817
00:40:46,450 --> 00:40:43,670
but Rowan Greaves always the

818
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:46,460
professional carried on and if you're

819
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:48,050
tempted to do the ghost tour just hit

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for ghost tours com dot a you to find

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out more information but I would

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probably recommend you don't do the tour

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during a heatwave I think the ghosts

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were probably on strike they probably

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went down to the South Pole to join Paul

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Willis in fact I think that's where all

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the curse were but now a great night out

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and I look forward to the next adventure

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with stranger things down under and

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links to all of that in this week's show

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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zone well tomorrow i'm jumping on a

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plane and heading down to Melbourne for

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a few days to see my old friend and UFO

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expert dr. Steve Roberts we really nice

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to catch up with him and catch up with a

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few of my friends down there in

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Melbourne and then I'll be spending a

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few days with a nut male friend Jim

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wilshire now Jim is the man who does the

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voice over at the beginning of the

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skeptic zone that's the voice you hear

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every week welcome to the skeptic zone

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the podcast from Australia for science

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and reason a very dear old friend of

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mine of course and he was a very big

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radio star in the in the 70 in the 80s

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and the 90s and now he retired and lives

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on a farm a really nice place to be in

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the Albury Wodonga area I hope the

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weather cools down a bit before then so

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next week so I expect to have interviews

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with steve roberts and well who knows

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who knows what maybe we'll look for UFOs

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in the countryside until then and i hope

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this hot weather goes away very quickly

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this is Richard Saunders melting from

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